Open Source $2k Tank

On 4/2/2011 7:54 AM, x2012gart wrote:

 

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It does seem like the containment tanks are a bit shallow.

yeah, I was worried about that. I got lucky. It’s 16 inches high and the water level with no person in it is 10 inches. But there is no splashing or over-run once I step in to float.

And this is definitely not a tank for people who are not agile. I will make a video of how to enter and exit soon. It’s not hard for me because I like swimming and sports in general. But my tank will never make the day spa — just hardcore types 🙂

In the video it looks like the level of the epsom salt solution comes quite high to the brim of the lower tank. I am wondering if there are tanks that are a bit higher. I saw this site:
http://www.aquaculturetanks.com/photos9.htm – something like picture 98,

wow, nice find! That place is a 2-hour car drive from me! I took a look at the price list – http://www.aquaculturetanks.com/price6.htm

and my tank dimensions are more expensive. However, because theirs is made of fiberglass, you could put a radiant heater UNDER the tank, just like is done in my float to relax. No heat transfers through the plastic of my tank.

But the 16 inches I have is enough… even 14 inches would be OK. My tank is a low-rider. Black, sleek, hung low to the floor (grin).

sure these guys could do a custom size.

Well, my tank is 5 feet wide — very wide by tank standards. I asked about just making it 4 feet or so and they said the cost would be 4 times as much. I think they have certain molds already made and pre-make a huge batch of tanks so a custom job would be very expensive.

Not sure how the Pondmaster Filter System works, do you stick the
thing in the water solution and just let the end stick out the clean water flowing.

The pondmaster does not work and here are my videos to document that:

A tech support guy at Foster and Smith Aquatics suggested it, but it seems that you need a good 1 hp pump to deal with our 300 gallon saltwater systems.

Maybe would like to look at the LifeGard Aquatics and put some holes
into the bottom containment tank to pump water in and out.

Heheh, the sophisticated way. Yes, that’s how the pros do it. But I want to minimize the possibility of leaks, so I’m going to setup something similar to how Barbara Cherington did her pipe work:
https://picasaweb.google.com/thequietcenter/Barbara?feat=directlink

But she did in fact put holes there to go into her tank. I will just manually bring the pump to the water after the float… I would like to use flexible hose, but I think the horsepower is too strong.

But again, my focus is on simplicity first. I want a soccer mom to be able to put together this tank if necessary…. lol

Heating the water seems easy and works, but some tanks clearly have
the heating under the containment tank,

yeah it depends on the material – with fiberglass that should work. But I used a 300 watt calesco waterbed heater and it didnt alter the temperature very much. Perhaps if I tried the liner approach that would work. But I’m all about fast, easy simple because I’m lazy and have a short attention span 🙂

and can keep the heating on
so during longer floats the water can stay at a consistent tempurature.

yeah, long unbroken floats are important for monk work. For your day spas where each person just does 1-hour, then passive heating is fine. But I certainly have become aware of the temperature after maybe 2 hours. It’s a fact that for the 1st hour you are radiating heat and warming the tank, so temperature becomes an issue in the 2nd hour.

And yes, temperature consistency would be better. But some floaters here are quite sensitive to electric waves and know when the heater turns on mid-float – I tend to leave the physical realm altogether, so I’ve never noticed anything like that.

of course, I could counter the whole monk argument because I’ve done zen retreats. They dont necessarily stick to one form of meditation for a long time. They might do sitting for 30-90 minutes and then walking and then back to sitting. So, if they can build up a samadhi while switching meditations, we can certainly pop out of the tank and reheat while we do some on-land meditation.

This also might be safer in terms of the electrics.

I unplug from the wall before every float so I have no worries.

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The astral plane is the plane of desire. And this morning experience was clearly based on desire.I awoke and did Bikram Yoga outdoors,the whole time lamenting having left the formal training in a studio. So then I go inside to float and am amazed at how much loosening occurs – the floatation tank following yoga is the perfect combination.

Eventually the technique (to remain hidden for 3-4 more days) led me into a long lucid journey of which I will only detail 2 parts

In one part, I was walking through my old yoga training studio and asking people if this were the advanced class and a girl says ‘yes’ with a resonant pure voice and I’m jealous because I dont qualify for the advanced class.

So I get home and I’m raising the garage door and then start eating through the door because the door is made cheese pizza and I start explaining how pizza can be a great home business.

Why was this an astral journey?

I desire to be an advanced hatha yoga practitioner so I cooked up such an astral journey. But an even greater desire is to fall short of my dreams so I cooked up a journey in which I am rejected

I have decided to go 100% raw food and pizza was my good-bye meal because I love it so much. The hidden urge to eat miles and miles of pizza resulted in an astral trip where I could eat a garage door made of pizza — lolololol!

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this is so funny

There was a lot of wild spiritual experience in today’s float… ok, ok, psychic junk food! Once again I used a technique in the tank that I learned about outside the tank. I have 5 more days of self-imposed silence on the technique itself but something happened that was just so funny.So, I managed to achieve several things via floatation and this technique. And by the time I finished the temperature had dropped to 91 degrees (normally I cant take more than 92 or 93) and I didnt notice it because I was out of body so much.

But anyway, at one point, I realized that what I was doing was breaking into fitness clubs and installing float tanks there. Then when the owner would show up, I would try to talk him into buying the tank….

So one time, I end up in a fitness shop and I’m floating and the owner comes in confused and starts knocking on the door and pacing around. I decide to play peek-a-boo and look under the corner of the tank but then get scared and hop silently back to the other side of the tank.

By the way, Jose Arguelles ascended this month.

the shaman’s drum and silva ultra mind

Interesting hypothesis – binaural more effective than isochronic.I imagine shamanic drumming to produce theta waves would be isochronic. And I know the Silva Method beat is a simple beat at the alpha rhythm with nothing binaural.

But then we have some good binaural programs as well – The Monroe Institute comes to mind.

The advantage of isochronic is you can just blast a radio outside the tank and still get entrained. I know. The Silva Method beat is freely available and the 2nd strongest meditation technique I’ve done in the tank.

The number one technique I did today but will not mention anything about for at 6 more days as I work with it more and more.

On 3/9/2011 3:10 PM, Kane wrote:

Hi Bobby,

Here are two brands of underwater earphones and cases that I have used.

http://www.h2oaudio.com/

http://www.aquapac.net/usastore/water-electronics-mp3-889-0.html

Here is an opensource binaural beats generator program to create specific frequencies (I have not used it)

http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/

This is the most exhaustive list of frequencies and their effects on the body that I have come across.

http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm

Although I haven’t experimented with them, isochronic tones are said to produce the same effect as a binaural beat, but without the need for isolating the ears, it simply uses a beat that plays out in the body as a frequency. In my undereducated opinion, it seems that binaural beats would be more effective because it is creating the effect with a more enhanced structure, but this is only my guess.

 

Thanks for your very interesting reply, Kane. I spoke with the dentist who is the facial nerve specialist here in Phoenix. He was the one who was finally able to diagnose what was happening. He said the stimulus activation (I don’t want to label it “pain”, because that is an association I do NOT want to make)  was NOT connected to head and neck position or relaxation. So, I am very interested in what you can come up with on rhythms/pulses for brain distraction or calming or whatever we should call it.

Of course, then I will have to find a way to hear it. The float center I used has a factory installed digital system and I do not think I can bring in my own CD. I  want to build my own outdoor open float pool (Phoenix, AZ), now that I know floating is not effecting my nerves on a body-positioning level. So, how do you think I could listen? Are there underwater I-Phones now? (yeah, I can Google that question, but I’d like to know others experiences).
Bobby

 

 

 

 

 

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Open Source $2k Tank

On 3/30/2011 4:06 AM, Float Finder wrote:

That’s Terrence Brannon’s “Black Beauty” as he likes to call it.

 

 

 

Yes, once again Black is Beautiful. Feast your eyes:
https://picasaweb.google.com/thequietcenter/BlackBeauty?feat=directlink

 

As someone who likes to build things but has never built a tank, here’s my humble opinion on it… and this applies to all DIY tank projects:If you like to have a hand in creating the awesome time-space portal we call the float tank, and it will be a labor of love for you, then in general I would say a tank which costs $1700 to build is a fine project idea. But .. a) what’s the value of your labor (+$1000 at least)?

 

 

 

what do you mean value of labor? you mean the cost for time as opposed to parts? It took 17 days total this first time with several delays to order parts. Once all parts are ordered I could do it in a day the next time.

b) no offense to our good man Terrence, but that thing is pretty damn ugly

 

 

 

You are definitely entitled to your subjective judgement. No more can be said about that 😉

and a tank should be a pleasure to look at, i.e. you shouldn’t feel like you are an egg roll in a giant to-go container from a Chinese place in the mall, c) you’ll spend hours and hours asking questions on boards about troubleshooting,

 

 

 

I have no issues with helping those with questions and I  would upgrade the plans to make things more clear each time.

d) Terrence is still probably tweaking his design.

 

 

 

arent we all. yes

Finally, Terrence posted a video of one his first floats in the tank and before he entered he said something like “Oh wait, I need to turn this off so I don’t electrocute myself”.

 

 

 

those words were uttered right here –
and there were 2 levels of defense against electrocution at that point:

  • the GFCI plug that the heaters we plugged into
  • the safety mechanism within the JBJ heater itself

But I do turn them off to give myself a sense of security. That was a sarcastic off-the-cuff comment. I wouldnt put myself in jeopardy like that. I’m very fixated on my physical body.

 

Those words should never have to be uttered!!!

 

 

 

it is something of bad press I suppose. And the video presentation could be much better

I’m hoping Terrence can report on exactly what he was referring to.Finally, If you are in the USA, you can often find a used Samadhi or Oasis tank – both proven designs

 

 

 

 

– for not much more and they offer continued tech support (to a reasonable degree with used tanks, I suppose). And you can always sell a Samadhi or an Oasis later on if you have to, whereas you’d probably have to pay someone to take the BB off your hands.

 

 

 

the main expense in the used tank market is crating and shipping. The Black Beauty is one leg of a focus towards putting tanks in the hands of those with low-income and/or those in prison.

another focus was using completely off-the-shelf-parts.

 

  • the need to pay for having a tank shipped is eliminated
  • the need to pore over advanced construction manuals is eliminated
  • the need for anything other than standard parts is eliminated
  • the possibility of floating for the low-income / imprisoned has manifested

I learned from my Oasis experience. I owned one. And it is a true jewel. I cant say I’m happy with the rubber seal in the pump because epsom salt eats through it. But I learned from that and now know of other pumps (mag-drive, chemical) which work better.

 

I’m not trying to be mean, but let’s be realistic here.

 

 

 

No, but you are certainly welcome to communicate your dissatisfaction to me. I for one would appreciate it.

Live long and prosper,
Mark 

 


From: x2012gart <x2012gart@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:28:15 AM
Subject: Open Source $2k Tank

Its Crude not super sci-fi IPod gen float, but down and dirty and looks like it gets the job done…

wondering what you all think..

I am seriously considering taking up where John Lilly left off, but I feel weird walking into a float center after munching 5 grams of mushrooms. Thinking this might be the way forward.

http://www.thedeepself.org/2011/02/version-2a/

 

 

 

 

 

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On 3/30/2011 7:30 AM, x2012gart wrote:

Yes I am sure somethings can be done to improve safety like boxing up the electrics.

 

 

 

the heaters are connected to a GFCI so there’s no risk of electrocution. And JBJ heaters come with a safety guard.

For instance the two halfs can just be glued together shut

 

 

 

the current design makes it easy to drain the tank and move the tank. You can use the top as the bottom and vice versa at will.

and a entry door cut out of the top, or some sort of hindge/level system.

 

 

 

I was lucky to run into a Lowe’s employee who suggested drawer glides:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QEEzr-uBDNkzzYSHWx7Mzg?feat=directlink

those have been working for at least 20 floats beautifully.

The old link seen around the net for tank building plans are gone and this is all there is now. This is why I posted it here, not to argue for it’s use.

I guess Samadi is like twice the price of the Black Beauty,

 

 

 

well, the joy of building your own tank just cant be matched. I could never buy a commercial tank again unless there were a very specific reason.

but frankly the baggy liner isn’t as good as a solid surface.

 

 

 

yes, liners terrify me. I mean, I floated samadhi at Spacetime tanks and it was great. And they have been operating 26 years continuously there in Chi-town, probably all on samadhi. And no reports of electrocution. But the idea that there is just a liner between the water and a heater gives me the willies.

But I’ve been hashing over liner designs and thinking about it.

 

Oasis is nearly 4x the price, and it does appear to also have this liner.

 

 

 

I think Oasis and Samadhi are about the same price, new or used.

Sure a good 2nd hand tank would be cheaper, 1

 

 

 

until you have to pay them for parts/labor for a repair. The Black Beauty is 100% off the shelf.

going thru the archive there were some 5 floataway tanks going for incredible prices. With my budget it is probably best to wait for 2nd hand tank to hit the market.

 

 

 

may I ask where you are located? I build tanks and give them away to people who want to establish a branch of my religious order devoted to floatation. If you have the space, you have a business and tank coming your way. Just pay me a cut of your income from serving Recluses:
http://git.thedeepself.org/definitions/#recluse

 

Not sure but after that it appears that most tanks go over the $15k price level…ok it has some technical parts, but a top range automobile is the same price. am not in the USA, the european tank market seems to be the more Gucchi/Prada side of the tank market.

 

 

 

oh shipping definitely becomes a major issue for you.

Have seen big fiberglass tanks used for Fish Farming being sold from China very inexpensive, great deals on bulk epsom salts. Seems do-able, especially for the DIY inclined. Terrance’s contribution is a good foundation to work upon, as it covers the basic running parts and design extra features can be added.

 

 

 

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Open Source $2k Tank

On 3/29/2011 7:28 PM, x2012gart wrote:

Its Crude not super sci-fi IPod gen float, but down and dirty and looks like it gets the job done…

 

 

 

I’m happy with the job it does – I’m the inventor of the tank you are referring to. I’ve floated more than 40 times in it and am learning about passive heating systems along the way. I never would’ve succeeded with this tank if it weren’t for Tim Strudwick blazing a trail along this way. And of course I never would’ve met Tim Strudwick if it werent for Frank’s list.

wondering what you all think..

I am seriously considering taking up where John Lilly left off, but I feel weird walking into a float center after munching 5 grams of mushrooms.

 

 

 

Yes, commercial floatation and your urge for such personal exploration dont really jibe. But they meld well with my non-profit religious organization devoted to floatation – http://git.thedeepself.org/definitions/

Thinking this might be the way forward.

http://www.thedeepself.org/2011/02/version-2a/

 

 

 

Any questions about the design are welcome. I’m working on version 2b as we speak:

http://www.thedeepself.org/2011/03/version-2b/

I have put out a request to archive all homebrewed tank plans and we have yet to come up with such a centralized list of links. Because floatqa is migrating right now, it might be 2-4 weeks before we actually get up the list. My friend Glenn built his for rather cheap in a different way, but there are several indy tank makers active now.

tank session mocked up by Sound Current Meditation

So, I was not in my tank. I was sitting indian style and doing some Sound Current meditation. I got sleepy and laid down. Next thing I knew, I was gasping for air and pushing upwards to the top of my tank. My nose crashed into the ceiling of the tank.Right around this time, I realized that I had not been floating but merely laying down for a nap after a session of Sound Current meditation.

Cool!

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It’s a very powerful audio. I dont know if you know Jose Silva’s background, but it’s a fun read, how he was in a barbershop and wanted to learn Electronics so the barber said he’d pay for the course if he would put his name on the certificate.Then he read about the alpha rhythm and designed a little device to make the pecking sound at the right frequency and his children started demonstrating psychic powers while he was going over their homework with them. 

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I think it’s well worth being on their mailing list – they have some interesting data.

On 3/25/2011 9:46 AM, John Cotter wrote:

Cool beans!  I will give it a try in the tank this morning.

 

Thanks! 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Terrence Brannon <TheQuietCenter@gmail.com> wrote: 

For those who dont want to give out their email in order to download the
Silva Mind Centering exercise,
I am uploading the mp3 here:http://static.livingcosmos.org/tmp/SILVA_HEALING_MIND/

Should be downloadable by the time you read this 🙂

 

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